Hints and Tips - Triangle Special

From: Chris Holbrook
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Triangle Special by Ted Lloyd-Jones

Does anyone know of it, or can suggest any resources? Don't know it it was pre-war or post-war.

Chris


From: James Holland
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re.Triangle Special

It was actually called The Triangle Flying Saucer and basically consisted of a Daimler Dingo scout car chassis of WW2 origin with a vintage Rolls Royce Kestrel aero engine of the type that powered the Hawker Hart. The driver sat ahead of the front axle line and other than a small cowl at the front no bodywork was fitted. Lloyd-Jones campaigned the Triangle in sprints and hillclimbs in the early 1950s but I don't know what became of it. I suspect it was broken up-the engine being rather too valuable for the vintage aircraft community to ignore as the Kestrel is far more rare than the later Merlin. Maybe Bateman's book on Specials will give further insight.

James H


From: Ian Grace
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: James Holland; British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re: Re.Triangle Special

Wasn't there a post-war Triangle Special based on a pre-war sidevalve Morris Minor chassis. Without my references here, I seem to remember that this car started life as a promotional car which - in various forms - was made to run at 100 mph and 100 mpg. Carl Skinner bought it, developed it and it became the White Special. It ended up as a single-seater with very little Minor init - called the traingle Special. I'm sure it's still in the hands of a VSCC member - in the West Country?

Is this perhaps the car we are talking about? If so, I have much more info and pics at home.

Incidentally, the pre-war Minor promotion backfired when large numbers of owners turned up at their dealers asking for their car to be tuned to do 100 mph AND 100 mpg!

Ian Grace


From: James Holland
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re.Triangle Special

Ian Grace wrote

>Wasn't there a post-war Triangle Special ........

Not the same car. The Skinner Triangle Spl existed pre war and was driven by Carl and Barbara Skinner of SU carburetter fame. Later on the blown Minor engine was replaced by a 4 litre Hudson straight eight and it exists in this form today.

James H.


From: Chris Holbrook
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re: Re.Triangle Special

The information coming through the other channel is that the Triangle special and my RKS were developed by the same man, who I now know is (or was) Ted Lloyd-Jones of Triangle Garage, Shirley, in Birmingham, and that is the particular bit of info I was after. I also found that the thing was built for Ron Kemp, not Richard Keeble. I vaguely recall reading an obituary notice for Mr Kemp in Motor Sport sometime in the last decade, but all I can remember of is the picture and the fact that he was still racing when very old. Maybe I have the wrong man. Can anyone fill me in?

It is very interesting, not to say confusing, that more than one (and very different) Triangle specials may have existed. Those which have disappeared could have been Bermuda Triangle Specials?

Chris


From: James Holland
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re.Triangle Special

Chris,

Thinking a bit more on the subject, the Skinner Triangle in its early days was known simply as the Skinner Special. I think the Triangle bit came later, presumably when the Hudson engine was fitted, and there might well be a connection there with Ted Lloyd-Jones and the Triangle Garage. I can research this more at home.

James H.


From: Ian Grace
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: James Holland; British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re: Re.Triangle Special

Yes, there were several pre-war Skinner specials - sometimes also known as TCS Specials (Carl's full initials - don't know what the T stood for). Some were Morris Minor based, some Morris Oxford based, with MG 18/100 race engines. The Triangle bit definitely came much later, and I believe from the Triangle garage.

Ian


From: Stuart
Sent: 06 April 2000
To: Chris Holbrook
cc: British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re: Triangle Special

To confuse the issue even more, I learn that Ted LIoyd-Jones bought the Hudson/Morris Minor Skinner Special just after WW2. Source; "formula 3" by C.A.N. May pub. Foulis, p.22 in my edition. Looks like Ted cornered the Triangles, as it were.

Regards, Stuart

Stuart Ulph


From: Chris Holbrook
Sent: 10 April 2000
To: British-Cars-Pre-War
Subject: Re: Triangle Special

of no great import, but in the account of the 1946 Shelsey Walsh hillclimb in the Motor there is rather a nice picture of E Lloyd-Jones clouting the bank in the "Triangle-Skinner special"

Chris


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